Here we go again!!!Please understand that I am not a musician. These were purchased at an estate sale. I sent an email with pics to Tom Flores’s son Ralph, and he estimated them to be from the 60’s or early 70’s. His only comment was “nice bongos”. He did not say they were missing anything or anything looked changed. A buyer bought these at the last minute during the last auction and then when he got them said my description was not as listed. I DIDN’T describe them. I incl...uded 12 pictures of the item as clear as can be. eBay doesn’t let you put more then 12 pics up. If you want more just send me a message and I’ll send you more of exactly what you want. I know these are very hard to find. Many people have the newer ones for sale after Flores’s company was sold. So if you want original ones here they are. PLEASE DON’T BUY THESE IF YOU DON’T WANT THEM. It’s unfair to sellers on eBay to send a product back with a reason as “not as described” to get free return shipping because you have buyers remorse. If you have questions before you buy them just ask, I don’t bite. Look at my feedback. EVERYONE IS HAPPY!!!! Well...maybe not everyone. One old guy that bought used SAS shoes said they were too heavy. Like I made the shoes!!!!See history of Tom Flores Valje Bongo’s Los Angeles. Great skin just need some polishing. Vintage 1970’s Valje Bongo’s by Tom Flores Los Angeles California Drums Congo’s. Condition is Used. Shipped with FedEx Ground or FedEx Home Delivery.