OBSOLETE - VINTAGE 1930’s Deputy U. S. Marshal Star (LAS&SCO)
Item History & Price
| Reference Number: Avaluer:15542387 | Modified Item: No |
| Type: Badge | Country/Region of Manufacture: United States |
THIS AUCTION COMPLIES WITH EBAY CURRENT POLICIES AND IS NOT PROHIBITED BECAUSE:
( EBAY REFERENCE # 1-220372808197 - 07/22/19 1650)
1. The star is OBSOLETE, VINTAGE and DOES NOT resemble in any manner or form the current issued c...hrome plated wheel badge used by the United States Marshals Service;
2. Pursuant to Ebay, Reference No. 1-220372808197, because the badge is both obsolete and vintage, it is not prohibited from listing on Ebay;
3. The last time this star was used by deputy U.S. Marshals dates back to at least 1935, possibly up to 1941 when the Justice Department created a standard badge for all sworn Marshal employees. That 1941 issued badge and the last two issued in 1970 and again in 1980 are distinctly different shields that do not resemble in any manner or form the badge up for auction; and
4. The star up for auction IS NOT of the design nor does it resemble in any form the badge that is in current use authorized by the head of the U.S Marshals Service and the winner of the auction acknowledges that the shield will only be used either as a collectable, a momento or in an exhibit. (auction is in full compliance with federal law, specifically Title 18 United States Code Section 701 and Pub.L 106-547, the governing statues that applies to badges issued by federal agencies and possession/transfer/receipt thereof.
Now that all the legal disclaimers have been made to ensure I don't get in trouble selling this badge, and you don't get into trouble buying it, be warned the auction is conditioned upon the buyer not using the badge to impersonate any law enforcement officer and will only be used as a collectable, historical item. By failing to abide by the law, a sentence to imprisonment, a fine, or both could result. (see applicable law posted at end of this ad) Since you are a collector, a constable, maybe a DUSM, read every word in this ad. It was time consuming writing it, but, even if you are a seasoned collector I believe you will find some information that may guide you to determine whether this badge is the one you have been looking for to enhance your collection. If you are not a collector or law enforcement officer, do yourself a favor and spend your hard earned money buying something else.TIME TO DISCUSS THE SHIELD. BADGE DIMENSIONS: STYLE: Seven point star with filigree on each point
SIZE: Approximately 3.00” in height and 3.00” in width.
Weight: 1.65 ounces.
Thickness: .068
CONSTRUCTION/MATERIALS: metal-type: Silver/Nickel
ENGRAVING: Black Enamel
ATTACHMENT: C catch.MARKINGS: LAS&SCO
CONDITION: USED, worn and looks old.In a nutshell, the star is probably at least fifty-six years old and could be up to eighty-four years old and is among 37 badges that I have left out of 110, so, since non-reproduction deputy U.S Marshal badges are getting difficult to find, don't lose out on this opportunity to buy this one. If you think my price is high, I may consider discounting it, however, be prepared to justify your offer if it is much lower than the price I am willing to accept. (if you read my ad you will find the price I am willing to accept)
To support my opinion regarding both the age and authenticity of the shield I begin my analysis by pointing to the typeface that is stamped on the back of the shield, "LAS&SCO, " According to seasoned badge collectors, hallmarks on a badge are the starting point to facilitate determining the manufacturer, helping pinpoint its age and to a lesser degree whether the badge was actually used by a deputy.
My research of the LAS&SCO typeface revealed that LAS&SCO was an abbreviation for the Los Angeles Stamp and Stationary Company (a manufacturer of law enforcement and fire department agencies) that came into existence in 1935, stamping all of its products with the abbreviation LAS&SCO. Prior to then, the business was named the Los Angeles Rubber Stamp Company (LARSC), opening for business in 1884), (See attached photos) (I have one LARSC badge I will be selling sometime in the future)
The company remained in business until 1964 when it filed for bankruptcy. The dies and materials were subsequently ordered sold by the Bankruptcy Court. (keep that date in mind because it may help to date when he badge was last touched by its owner. (see below)
Information retrieved from several purported experts on badge collecting revealed that a badge collector named A.B.C. Jones purchased some of the LAS&SCO inventory and old folklore has it that Jones then assembled parts of the badges and re-sold some of them.Notwithstanding the foregoing opinions and moving forward to 1991, a couple federal law enforcement officers published a badge collecting book and identified A.B.C. Jones as a badge collector who began his collecting hobby in the 1930's and that his collection rivaled that of a museum. (See attached photo of the badge up for auction)There you have two stories, one story that Jones was only a purveyor of old, un-assembled parts and another Jones collection consisted of museum quality badges. Although both could be accurate to some degree, the question you have to ask is when was the last time you saw a badge like this. One thing is for sure, this badge is not a Dr. L & Sons repo. I recently acquired a LAS&SCO catalog printed in the 1950's which shows a myriad of badges LAS&SCO had in inventory, further revealing LAS&SCO sold badges to many law enforcement agencies, so if a deputy U.S. Marshal prior to 1941 wanted a badge, or a deputy U.S. Marshal` after 1941 and up to to 1970 wanted a different badge than the standard shield issued by the Department of Justice, LAS&SCO was a source to obtain one. Moving away from the experts, here is what I know about this badge which is based upon my personal experience, a non-collector and only the guy who acquired it recently at a garage sale.The badge was purchased at a garage sale in Yucca, California. This badge was enclosed in a oak shadow box with several other badges that were wrapped with pages from Life Magazine dated August 30, 1963. (see attached photo)The inside of oak shadow box was lined with a dark blue velvet cloth that the badges were attached to. (see attached photos) I did not know the badge was in the box as I was buying a batch of Rockwell plates that were wrapped in a much larger box. If you recall as stated above, LAS&SCO went bankrupt in 1964, so, it is quite possible that the person who acquired this badge obtained it at least a year BEFORE the bankruptcy sale? The badge frame was layered between pages from Life magazine dated 1963. LAS&SCO filed for bankruptcy in 1964) Notwithstanding that theory, the badge likely could have been owned by a badge collector or a deputy United States marshal or other constable years before 1963? I make that observation because the badge shadow box not only contained several other old badges from other established badge manufacturers, but also found were as a few books entitled "Instructions To U.S. Marshals, Attorneys, Clerks & Commissioners" dated 1925; "Department of Justice Register of U.S. District Courts" dated 1926; an "AAA California Mileages" book dated 1940; and an old DOJ license plate which may have been issued in the 1930's. (see attached photos)Based upon the foregoing information, it is probably more likely than not the badge was owned by a collector who may have been a deputy U.S. Marshal at a date uncertain, but likely between 1935-1963.
I am not a collector of badges so "I don't need no stinkin' badges." I am a 100% capitalist so would rather have six Benji Franklin's + one Jackson than the badge. You now know what I will accept.
Because I am not a badge collector and I could find no books that set forth badge prices, I had no idea what the value of this badge is, so, to find an answer I looked at several other deputy U.S. Marshal badges on Ebay that have been sold on Ebay to find a price that I believe is more than fair; fair to me because of my monetary investment as well as time conducting research, which was not minimal, and fair to you, a collector who wants to own a vintage old lawman's badge. (Recent Ebay auctions of deputy U.S. Marshal shields and stars: 303232392565; 123837560217; 123821568421; 143303501050; 173962695603; 264392275803; 183857940411; 183857940016; and 123820312730).
We are on Ebay, basically a huge bazaar where horse trading is common, not Saks 5th Avenue where there are no badges and also no haggling, so don't be hesitant to make an offer. That said, I know the value of this badge, so don't think you will get a huge discount like one buyer did by lying to me about the authenticity of a badge I sold. I won't be fooled again and I promise not to fool you about everything posted herein. The bottom line, I won't be unreasonable, but neither should you.
If I intentionally misrepresented anything in this ad, return it!If you can help me date it, contact me and if the information is accurate, I will add it to the description.If you have a D.L. Langenbacker DUSM badge and want to trade it in this auction, let me know and I may give you a credit.
Your task now is to do your due diligence. DON'T BUY THIS BADGE UNLESS YOU ARE 100% CONFIDANT WHAT IT IS. I don't know and I don't want you mad at me.
WARNING: This obsolete Deputy United States Marshals badge does not resemble any current issued law enforcement badge of any entity, and it is a historical piece to be displayed by collectors in a sealed case at home or office. The badge conveys absolutely no authority or law enforcement powers of any kind and if the purchaser uses it to convey such to anyone, pursuant to Title 18 USC 701, the person is subject to prosecution and under federal law can be found guilty of a Class B misdemeanor, facing a fine or imprisonment of up to six months. It is the buyer's responsibility to follow all local, state, and federal laws. By bidding on this item the buyer agrees to only use this item in a lawful manner, in other words placed in a display case on your wall or desk. You've been warned.(See U.S. v Jackson 754 F.3d 1116 (9th Cir. 2014); U.S. v Roe (575 F.Supp. 2d 690 (D.Md. 2008)
( EBAY REFERENCE # 1-220372808197 - 07/22/19 1650)
1. The star is OBSOLETE, VINTAGE and DOES NOT resemble in any manner or form the current issued c...hrome plated wheel badge used by the United States Marshals Service;
2. Pursuant to Ebay, Reference No. 1-220372808197, because the badge is both obsolete and vintage, it is not prohibited from listing on Ebay;
3. The last time this star was used by deputy U.S. Marshals dates back to at least 1935, possibly up to 1941 when the Justice Department created a standard badge for all sworn Marshal employees. That 1941 issued badge and the last two issued in 1970 and again in 1980 are distinctly different shields that do not resemble in any manner or form the badge up for auction; and
4. The star up for auction IS NOT of the design nor does it resemble in any form the badge that is in current use authorized by the head of the U.S Marshals Service and the winner of the auction acknowledges that the shield will only be used either as a collectable, a momento or in an exhibit. (auction is in full compliance with federal law, specifically Title 18 United States Code Section 701 and Pub.L 106-547, the governing statues that applies to badges issued by federal agencies and possession/transfer/receipt thereof.
Now that all the legal disclaimers have been made to ensure I don't get in trouble selling this badge, and you don't get into trouble buying it, be warned the auction is conditioned upon the buyer not using the badge to impersonate any law enforcement officer and will only be used as a collectable, historical item. By failing to abide by the law, a sentence to imprisonment, a fine, or both could result. (see applicable law posted at end of this ad) Since you are a collector, a constable, maybe a DUSM, read every word in this ad. It was time consuming writing it, but, even if you are a seasoned collector I believe you will find some information that may guide you to determine whether this badge is the one you have been looking for to enhance your collection. If you are not a collector or law enforcement officer, do yourself a favor and spend your hard earned money buying something else.TIME TO DISCUSS THE SHIELD. BADGE DIMENSIONS: STYLE: Seven point star with filigree on each point
SIZE: Approximately 3.00” in height and 3.00” in width.
Weight: 1.65 ounces.
Thickness: .068
CONSTRUCTION/MATERIALS: metal-type: Silver/Nickel
ENGRAVING: Black Enamel
ATTACHMENT: C catch.MARKINGS: LAS&SCO
CONDITION: USED, worn and looks old.In a nutshell, the star is probably at least fifty-six years old and could be up to eighty-four years old and is among 37 badges that I have left out of 110, so, since non-reproduction deputy U.S Marshal badges are getting difficult to find, don't lose out on this opportunity to buy this one. If you think my price is high, I may consider discounting it, however, be prepared to justify your offer if it is much lower than the price I am willing to accept. (if you read my ad you will find the price I am willing to accept)
To support my opinion regarding both the age and authenticity of the shield I begin my analysis by pointing to the typeface that is stamped on the back of the shield, "LAS&SCO, " According to seasoned badge collectors, hallmarks on a badge are the starting point to facilitate determining the manufacturer, helping pinpoint its age and to a lesser degree whether the badge was actually used by a deputy.
My research of the LAS&SCO typeface revealed that LAS&SCO was an abbreviation for the Los Angeles Stamp and Stationary Company (a manufacturer of law enforcement and fire department agencies) that came into existence in 1935, stamping all of its products with the abbreviation LAS&SCO. Prior to then, the business was named the Los Angeles Rubber Stamp Company (LARSC), opening for business in 1884), (See attached photos) (I have one LARSC badge I will be selling sometime in the future)
The company remained in business until 1964 when it filed for bankruptcy. The dies and materials were subsequently ordered sold by the Bankruptcy Court. (keep that date in mind because it may help to date when he badge was last touched by its owner. (see below)
Information retrieved from several purported experts on badge collecting revealed that a badge collector named A.B.C. Jones purchased some of the LAS&SCO inventory and old folklore has it that Jones then assembled parts of the badges and re-sold some of them.Notwithstanding the foregoing opinions and moving forward to 1991, a couple federal law enforcement officers published a badge collecting book and identified A.B.C. Jones as a badge collector who began his collecting hobby in the 1930's and that his collection rivaled that of a museum. (See attached photo of the badge up for auction)There you have two stories, one story that Jones was only a purveyor of old, un-assembled parts and another Jones collection consisted of museum quality badges. Although both could be accurate to some degree, the question you have to ask is when was the last time you saw a badge like this. One thing is for sure, this badge is not a Dr. L & Sons repo. I recently acquired a LAS&SCO catalog printed in the 1950's which shows a myriad of badges LAS&SCO had in inventory, further revealing LAS&SCO sold badges to many law enforcement agencies, so if a deputy U.S. Marshal prior to 1941 wanted a badge, or a deputy U.S. Marshal` after 1941 and up to to 1970 wanted a different badge than the standard shield issued by the Department of Justice, LAS&SCO was a source to obtain one. Moving away from the experts, here is what I know about this badge which is based upon my personal experience, a non-collector and only the guy who acquired it recently at a garage sale.The badge was purchased at a garage sale in Yucca, California. This badge was enclosed in a oak shadow box with several other badges that were wrapped with pages from Life Magazine dated August 30, 1963. (see attached photo)The inside of oak shadow box was lined with a dark blue velvet cloth that the badges were attached to. (see attached photos) I did not know the badge was in the box as I was buying a batch of Rockwell plates that were wrapped in a much larger box. If you recall as stated above, LAS&SCO went bankrupt in 1964, so, it is quite possible that the person who acquired this badge obtained it at least a year BEFORE the bankruptcy sale? The badge frame was layered between pages from Life magazine dated 1963. LAS&SCO filed for bankruptcy in 1964) Notwithstanding that theory, the badge likely could have been owned by a badge collector or a deputy United States marshal or other constable years before 1963? I make that observation because the badge shadow box not only contained several other old badges from other established badge manufacturers, but also found were as a few books entitled "Instructions To U.S. Marshals, Attorneys, Clerks & Commissioners" dated 1925; "Department of Justice Register of U.S. District Courts" dated 1926; an "AAA California Mileages" book dated 1940; and an old DOJ license plate which may have been issued in the 1930's. (see attached photos)Based upon the foregoing information, it is probably more likely than not the badge was owned by a collector who may have been a deputy U.S. Marshal at a date uncertain, but likely between 1935-1963.
I am not a collector of badges so "I don't need no stinkin' badges." I am a 100% capitalist so would rather have six Benji Franklin's + one Jackson than the badge. You now know what I will accept.
Because I am not a badge collector and I could find no books that set forth badge prices, I had no idea what the value of this badge is, so, to find an answer I looked at several other deputy U.S. Marshal badges on Ebay that have been sold on Ebay to find a price that I believe is more than fair; fair to me because of my monetary investment as well as time conducting research, which was not minimal, and fair to you, a collector who wants to own a vintage old lawman's badge. (Recent Ebay auctions of deputy U.S. Marshal shields and stars: 303232392565; 123837560217; 123821568421; 143303501050; 173962695603; 264392275803; 183857940411; 183857940016; and 123820312730).
We are on Ebay, basically a huge bazaar where horse trading is common, not Saks 5th Avenue where there are no badges and also no haggling, so don't be hesitant to make an offer. That said, I know the value of this badge, so don't think you will get a huge discount like one buyer did by lying to me about the authenticity of a badge I sold. I won't be fooled again and I promise not to fool you about everything posted herein. The bottom line, I won't be unreasonable, but neither should you.
If I intentionally misrepresented anything in this ad, return it!If you can help me date it, contact me and if the information is accurate, I will add it to the description.If you have a D.L. Langenbacker DUSM badge and want to trade it in this auction, let me know and I may give you a credit.
Your task now is to do your due diligence. DON'T BUY THIS BADGE UNLESS YOU ARE 100% CONFIDANT WHAT IT IS. I don't know and I don't want you mad at me.
WARNING: This obsolete Deputy United States Marshals badge does not resemble any current issued law enforcement badge of any entity, and it is a historical piece to be displayed by collectors in a sealed case at home or office. The badge conveys absolutely no authority or law enforcement powers of any kind and if the purchaser uses it to convey such to anyone, pursuant to Title 18 USC 701, the person is subject to prosecution and under federal law can be found guilty of a Class B misdemeanor, facing a fine or imprisonment of up to six months. It is the buyer's responsibility to follow all local, state, and federal laws. By bidding on this item the buyer agrees to only use this item in a lawful manner, in other words placed in a display case on your wall or desk. You've been warned.(See U.S. v Jackson 754 F.3d 1116 (9th Cir. 2014); U.S. v Roe (575 F.Supp. 2d 690 (D.Md. 2008)
